tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4143435314932633148.post888896854979524138..comments2024-03-29T02:42:23.220-07:00Comments on B/X BLACKRAZOR: Re-Write Pendragon? RidiculousJBhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03263662621289630246noreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4143435314932633148.post-47953435031947560282015-03-17T18:33:50.502-07:002015-03-17T18:33:50.502-07:00@ Anthony:
I haven't actually worked up a mod...@ Anthony:<br /><br />I haven't actually worked up a model of Jaime Lannister (something I intend to do), but my in initial thought is that his Glory is really based on the usual knightly pursuits: he's excellent in combat, having won his first tourney at 13, being knighted at 15, having fought Smiling Jack (same age), and be the youngest knight ever elected to the Kingsguard.<br /><br />Knights never "lose Glory" in Pendragon, but I don't think much (or any) Glory was gained for murdering an unarmed man that he'd sworn to defend. In fact, I figure it was worth a hefty loss of his Honor passion. But his past Glory remains, even though he's now derided (he was nearly forced to "take the Black").JBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03263662621289630246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4143435314932633148.post-36766369488341209092015-03-17T18:26:57.403-07:002015-03-17T18:26:57.403-07:00@JD:
I think the campaign supplements were more h...@JD:<br /><br />I think the campaign supplements were more heavily "railroaded" than the basic game as written/designed.JBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03263662621289630246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4143435314932633148.post-61715480492396545372015-03-17T18:25:15.666-07:002015-03-17T18:25:15.666-07:00@ Antonio:
I think "glory" is still val...@ Antonio:<br /><br />I think "glory" is still valuable in the setting...not every family is concerned with power acquisition.<br /><br />In fact, it can probably be argued that while the Targaryens WERE in power, there were a lot fewer folks challenging their dominion. They were akin to gods (or Melniboneans or High Numenoreans or whatever). It was only after Robert's Rebellion (fueled by Passion...I don't think he would have otherwise "wanted" the throne) that Westeros goes "up for grabs."JBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03263662621289630246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4143435314932633148.post-28227266984215916922015-03-17T12:29:27.812-07:002015-03-17T12:29:27.812-07:00Turn on him more easily, I should say.Turn on him more easily, I should say.Anthony N. Emmelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14017952532295866111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4143435314932633148.post-18588500949536974182015-03-17T12:28:37.728-07:002015-03-17T12:28:37.728-07:00In Hackmaster 4e, a character's Honor was defi...In Hackmaster 4e, a character's Honor was defined by his alignment. That is, a CE character gained honor for fighting dirty, a Lawful Good character lost honor for doing the same.<br /><br />I've not looking at Pendragon in probably 15 years or more. But, maybe redefine Glory based on what your family's code/sigil is? Acting like a Bolton gains you Glory, like a Stark, like a Lannister, etc. <br /><br />Jamie, for instance, had Glory because he is the Kingslayer; people are snide about it, but he's acting like a Lanister, so he's generally respected. Tyrion, on teh oether hand, is a great guy, but he doesn't fit the image of a Lannister, so, when he accused of killing Joffrey, people turn on him.<br /><br />Just a few thoughts.Anthony N. Emmelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14017952532295866111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4143435314932633148.post-65190390792255329752015-03-17T08:43:22.492-07:002015-03-17T08:43:22.492-07:00My biggest issue with the Pendragon campaign as wr...My biggest issue with the Pendragon campaign as written out is the railroading nature, sure itks a railroad with lot's of tracks and diversions and the game is about the ride so it works for that. Itks okay in that experience to have a campaign that begins in 485 and ends in 566.<br />If you however have a camapign that's about being part of scheming power hugry famalies you can certainly start in 485 but thereks no chance anyone is goignt o have a clue what is coming in 566 As the camapign is more open in nature and a half dozen Arthurs could rise and fall.<br />I think the system of Pendragon could indeed work well for modeling how nobles are expeted to be and how they actaully behave. The campaign model has to shift and the script has to be looser.JDsivrajhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10674833512849495283noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4143435314932633148.post-30417985031965604552015-03-17T02:03:16.341-07:002015-03-17T02:03:16.341-07:00I'd probably work out some different reward th...I'd probably work out some different reward than Glory. Perhaps something like "Power"? <br />Or perhaps how effectively they sustain the family's motto. <br />Have you looked at RuneQuest 6? It has a "lighter" system of passions, too (far less intruding than Pendragon's) and the other game elements (from cultures to weapons, lethality etc.) match Westeros' ones quite well. Magic is very flexible, and can be easily adapted to the setting, too.Antoniohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17258180992723371727noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4143435314932633148.post-24845344196950855792015-03-17T00:03:14.965-07:002015-03-17T00:03:14.965-07:00@ Faol:
Yeah, I've read that, but there'...@ Faol: <br /><br />Yeah, I've read that, but there's a lot of "magical stuff" that was going on even between the death of the last dragon and the birth of the new ones in Essos. You still have that 200 year old albino Targaryen living in a tree, and kids with "green seeing" and "skin shifting" abilities, and there's still giants north of the wall, etc.<br /><br />That being said, I would probably throw a forgotten "wild" dragon into the campaign at some point. After all, The Cannibal survived the Dance of Dragons (in 130 AC) and Balerion lived to be at least 230 years old (in captivity)...who's to say The Cannibal isn't still lurking around Dragonstone in 150 years after his last appearance?<br />; )JBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03263662621289630246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4143435314932633148.post-66477626509887716862015-03-16T23:54:17.026-07:002015-03-16T23:54:17.026-07:00@ Pierce:
There's a lot of parallels between ...@ Pierce:<br /><br />There's a lot of parallels between the Kingsguard and the Round Table, for sure. Membership could probably stand as a "knightly ambition."<br /><br />Robert's Rebellion is a little short for the entirety of a Pendragon campaign. My original idea was to take the saga up through 300 AC (the events of the books till the start of Winter), but I've since decided it would be better to END with Robert's Rebellion (the end of the Targaryen line). The time frame would be the same as Pendragon, and there's few major events in the 35 years prior, other than the Battle of Stepstones (the last Blackfyre Rebellion), and the Defiance of Duskendale (which really helped plunge Aerys into madness). I figure that by setting it in that period, it gives players plenty of chances to do knight errantry and get into trouble, and then gives them a chance to pick sides when the Rebellion finally comes. The events following Robert's Rebellion is pretty well-detailed anyway, and I don't want folks to feel like they need to follow Martin's storyline.<br /><br />Jaime will still kill the King, as assuredly as Mordred does for Arthur.JBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03263662621289630246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4143435314932633148.post-68938687228536687892015-03-16T23:44:33.250-07:002015-03-16T23:44:33.250-07:00To be clear, it is the dragons' existences tha...To be clear, it is the dragons' existences that make magic work in Martin's setting.faoladhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03691952430041394614noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4143435314932633148.post-23766629265132673522015-03-16T23:43:48.328-07:002015-03-16T23:43:48.328-07:00To a certain extent, you might find one of the era...To a certain extent, you might find one of the eras of dragons to be appropriate, as it is the dragons that make the magical background stand out more. When that is going on, you'll see (I think) more of the romantic elements that drive Pendragon play.faoladhhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03691952430041394614noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4143435314932633148.post-50687089537833009332015-03-16T22:33:37.611-07:002015-03-16T22:33:37.611-07:002 and 3 for sure. Like you say some eras are not v...2 and 3 for sure. Like you say some eras are not very conductive to chivalrous game play but I think certain times definitely could be. Set it during Robert's rebellion. Or make them members of the Kingsguard back when it was awesome (have them take down the Kingswood Brotherhood). I was going to run a game set in the "present" of the series but in a "what if?" timeline where Jamie didn't kill the mad King.Piercehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17342275462566805167noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4143435314932633148.post-72145454674828863522015-03-16T15:28:32.135-07:002015-03-16T15:28:32.135-07:00@ K.R.:
At the same time, there's plenty of t...@ K.R.:<br /><br />At the same time, there's plenty of the passions and melodrama of Arthurian tales in Martin's books. Whatever it was that compelled Brandon Stark to yell treasonous curses at the gates of the Red Keep (not to mention compelling the guy to strangle himself trying to save his father)...that's not rational stuff. The lordly characters of Martin's books are often chivalrous, even when they don't need to be. Even the Machiavellian ones.<br /><br />[certain characters, like the Cleganes, Boltons, and Pikes still take the appearance of wotanic or pagan knight-types, and still exhibit honor at times, if not chivalry]<br /><br />But, yeah, I was thinking along the same lines (i.e. re-working Glory awards, possibly tying it more closely to the knightly virtues). Family, loyalty, and honor...not to mention taking down your hates...are at least as important (if not more so) than winning tourneys.JBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03263662621289630246noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4143435314932633148.post-69948234973051197962015-03-16T13:59:42.691-07:002015-03-16T13:59:42.691-07:00You could always keep the Glory mechanic, but rede...You could always keep the Glory mechanic, but redefine what earns a knight glory. But it seems this is a problem one would see coming in applying this system to this setting, since ASoIaF is about debunking medieval chivalry, the bread and butter of Pendragon.Kevin S.https://www.blogger.com/profile/06076147424768269913noreply@blogger.com