tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4143435314932633148.post537370684023836740..comments2024-03-28T15:54:00.960-07:00Comments on B/X BLACKRAZOR: Hit Me Baby One More TimeJBhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03263662621289630246noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4143435314932633148.post-56013788147407128652022-10-12T11:23:31.557-07:002022-10-12T11:23:31.557-07:00reminds me of the dark sun setting, if i remember ...reminds me of the dark sun setting, if i remember right all humans are like fighter level 2 or 3 by default because of how harsh the world is.Motley Strangerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04313254610357181827noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4143435314932633148.post-67072609527528693532010-10-05T14:18:12.809-07:002010-10-05T14:18:12.809-07:00@ Hogscape: You and me both, man!@ Hogscape: You and me both, man!JBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08532311924539491087noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4143435314932633148.post-87411945011189304752010-09-30T08:26:57.703-07:002010-09-30T08:26:57.703-07:00Although I'm mostly the GM, as a player I find...Although I'm mostly the GM, as a player I find GMs never take this into account and are quick to diminish the presence of PCs by inflating the local populace with classed characters in the 'normal man' role.<br /><br />If I come across another third-level fighter turned inn keeper I'm going to pop my clogs!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4143435314932633148.post-65269184857468439542010-04-28T22:02:01.597-07:002010-04-28T22:02:01.597-07:00Great post. Now do it again for <1 and 1HD mons...Great post. Now do it again for <1 and 1HD monsters, to put the fear that a gang of goblins or orcs in proper perspective.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4143435314932633148.post-72167587779506905262010-04-28T20:36:24.713-07:002010-04-28T20:36:24.713-07:00@ Anthony: You're welcome!
@ Dogrodeo: Depend...@ Anthony: You're welcome!<br /><br />@ Dogrodeo: Depends on the town, of course! If it's a Viking village, maybe they're a bunch of berserkers. A pirate haven? Maybe buccaneers. <br /><br />The Keep on the Borderlands (the classic B/X introduction) is populated mostly with 1st level fighters (if I remember correctly)...but this may be reflective of the dangerous location and hazardous duty (they're all "veterans"). In my games, the average town guard is a Normal Man with a good armor class. Only elite guardsmen (the King's Protectorate or whatnot) would be F1+.JBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08532311924539491087noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4143435314932633148.post-29827556054677783962010-04-27T06:20:06.370-07:002010-04-27T06:20:06.370-07:00Love the post but how do you view the towns local ...Love the post but how do you view the towns local guard/watch ? Normal men with the advantage of armor, weapons and numbers or level 1 fighting men?dogrodeohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11460590878877571652noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4143435314932633148.post-83484301677347514632010-04-25T12:26:24.741-07:002010-04-25T12:26:24.741-07:00Thanks for reminding me of something that I had al...Thanks for reminding me of something that I had almost forgotten! And me a gamer since '81!Anthony N. Emmelhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14017952532295866111noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4143435314932633148.post-203228459847036862010-04-23T14:09:10.571-07:002010-04-23T14:09:10.571-07:00@ Doc: Does it make you want to play a 1st level t...@ Doc: Does it make you want to play a 1st level thief instead of your "pirate's pirate" character in Trav?<br /><br />; )JBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08532311924539491087noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4143435314932633148.post-69563549254162067052010-04-20T20:17:31.954-07:002010-04-20T20:17:31.954-07:00Awsome post! Then agian, I will love anything that...Awsome post! Then agian, I will love anything that gives praise to thieves. Can't wait for May, JB. Sorry, I didn't realize how close it is. Doh!Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00671606521244105599noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4143435314932633148.post-65456028296606098202010-04-16T00:40:55.120-07:002010-04-16T00:40:55.120-07:00@ Rain: Sorry. And in fact, this particular post g...@ Rain: Sorry. And in fact, this particular post got all screwed up somehow anyway (had to erase and reformat it, like, three times!). Generally, I write posts in Word and then copy and paste 'em later, when I have internet access...but it's tricky translating from Word to my Mac to Blogspot sometimes.<br />: (<br /><br />@ Everyone else: thanks for the kind words. As I said, just something us "old school" players (and DMs) should be thinking about.<br /><br />RE: Adventurers as Biker Gangs<br /><br />I can easily see this point of view, but I'm not sure it's always the case...after all a Paladin (or Lawful Cleric like Sister Rebecca) isn't really what I'd call Sons of Anarchy material. Perhaps, though, adventurers are a bit of a "Force of Nature" (much as biker gangs can be) and that makes folks uncomfortable. Think of Strider's reputation around Bree.<br />: )JBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08532311924539491087noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4143435314932633148.post-29382448615476113012010-04-15T19:05:47.798-07:002010-04-15T19:05:47.798-07:00I tend towards Badelaire's view. They are tou...I tend towards Badelaire's view. They are tough and scary but they're not heroes. They're thieves, robbers, and outcasts. People too inept, lazy, or proud to get a real job, or do an honest day's work. Instead they raid and pillage humanoids, plunder tombs, and go "adventuring" where no right and honest person ought go.<br /><br />They might be needed by society, but they sure aren't wanted. Villagers would like nothing better for them to move on, somewhere else, once they kill the Harpy that is. The villagers in <i>The Seven Samurai</i> are great example of this.Norman J. Harman Jr.https://www.blogger.com/profile/01319655075997712313noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4143435314932633148.post-23274757596913273242010-04-15T10:39:42.557-07:002010-04-15T10:39:42.557-07:00Excellent post. The B/X "Philosophy of the No...Excellent post. The B/X "Philosophy of the Normal Man" is pivotal to making any kind of sensical campaign. I strictly adhere to levelling for PCs only.<br /><br />As an aside, the font you are using is barely readable on Firefox... I always have to reload your blog on an IE tab.rainswepthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06165059567790555748noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4143435314932633148.post-73974015613732228512010-04-15T08:16:56.163-07:002010-04-15T08:16:56.163-07:00Bookmarked and saved as a Word doc!
Badelaire: My...Bookmarked <i>and</i> saved as a Word doc!<br /><br /><b>Badelaire</b>: My take on adventurers as celebrities was summarized more or less by Tim Shorts in his post on <a href="http://gothridgemanor.blogspot.com/2010/04/adventurers-as-celebrities-or-in-this.html" rel="nofollow">rock-star adventurers</a>. Not the cliched modern idea of a rock star, mind you, but in the original dangerous, edgy, undermining-society type of rock star. So a bit like what you're talking about with the whole biker gang vibe, but the danger is an attractive element to a lot of more impressionable commoners (and a major red flag to the powers that be).David Larkinshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04133630988557116729noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4143435314932633148.post-2881968995638586132010-04-15T07:19:22.508-07:002010-04-15T07:19:22.508-07:00I actually think of your average adventuring party...I actually think of your average adventuring party being thought of pretty much like the biker gang from <i>Sons of Anarchy</i>. Violent, lawless near-psychopaths you never, ever want to piss off, and heaven forbid the Law ever has to actually try to take one of these folks down, because the streets are going to run red. <br /><br />I think Adventurers are looked at as a "celebrity" in only the same fashion you look at your local gun-loving, cammie-wearing, bunker-building survivalist nutjobs as a "celebrity".Jack Badelairehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10932441028544500024noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4143435314932633148.post-50700007926624427982010-04-15T03:09:34.792-07:002010-04-15T03:09:34.792-07:00Excellent post. Bookmarked for future use...Excellent post. Bookmarked for future use...Jimwisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06570083787284952766noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4143435314932633148.post-15337775523279396962010-04-15T00:29:09.643-07:002010-04-15T00:29:09.643-07:00There's been some discussion on other blogs of...There's been some discussion on other blogs of late of the fantasy adventurer as a celebrity, and this fits in well with that. A first-level adventurer might be the equivalent of the local celebrity, the kind of person you'd get to open the village fete or somesuch, whereas a higher-level adventurer would be known across the land, probably in turn inspiring those lower-level types. Either way, they are significant, prominent, figures in the eyes of the general populacethekelvingreenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01928260185408072124noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4143435314932633148.post-27114435866125832822010-04-14T19:59:14.407-07:002010-04-14T19:59:14.407-07:00Good points and a good post
Funny enough it kind ...Good points and a good post<br /><br />Funny enough it kind of linked to what I just wrote about my dislike of the thief class. Now in play I prefer the AD&D2 notions<br /><br />Man at Arms 1d8+1, Laborer 1d8, Normal Man 1d6, Weak Men 1d4 but the base idea, that l1 adventurers are a cut above still holds.<br /><br />Heck a L2 Wizard is near as tough as a man at arms at a L3 one without his spells is the equal of 2 normal men!<br /><br />I think what confuses people are the thief rules. They don't tie in well and the starting scores are crepulant.<br /><br />Fox that and the rest will follow. Or not.5stonegameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10694550968360550229noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4143435314932633148.post-48953917829049696372010-04-14T19:51:40.251-07:002010-04-14T19:51:40.251-07:00Now that's what I'm talkin' about!
An...Now that's what I'm talkin' about!<br /><br />And the proper sense of power scale (1st level adventurer vs. normal human) can even be heightened by condensing the game to fewer levels (http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?t=510002). These days, I'm of the opinion that as soon as the game gets above 6th level, you're dealing in mythical demigods, wire-flying wuxias, and four-color superheroes. Power levels that whole mobs of normal men can't conceive of standing against.John Higginshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06522143715905888511noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4143435314932633148.post-33561097590967951642010-04-14T19:25:55.189-07:002010-04-14T19:25:55.189-07:00A great post! And something I tend to forget as we...A great post! And something I tend to forget as well.rologutweinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02186173153359166269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4143435314932633148.post-37239955757438891072010-04-14T19:16:17.768-07:002010-04-14T19:16:17.768-07:00Well played, sir.Well played, sir.DMWieghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03682249561077936507noreply@blogger.com